'A Racing Incident' - F1 TV's Jolyon Palmer Analyses Hamilton And Verstappen's Silverstone Collision

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9 dagen geleden

As the dust starts to settle on Sunday's dramatic British Grand Prix, Jolyon Palmer goes in depth on the Lap 1 incident between Lewis Hamilton and Max Verstappen.

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aleem akhter
aleem akhter Uur geleden
Spot on.
kneekramp
kneekramp 3 uur geleden
I'm not a Hamilton fan in general but this is fair. Verstappen would say the same if the shoe was on the other foot. No penalty.
Kelly Burman
Kelly Burman 4 uur geleden
Let's face it. Max is a bully and in this instance the bully got himself in trouble
Ellen1600
Ellen1600 4 uur geleden
Bull! Hamilton ging veel harder de bocht in met Max dan bij Leclerc en H kon veel meer naar binnen.. Max stuurde in omdat hij en de bocht naar rechts moest maken en ervan uitging dat H remde omdat H anders nooit met die snelheid die bocht kon maken. In mijn ogen opzet van H!
Deven Brown
Deven Brown 5 uur geleden
6:10 tells it all.
Jochem R.A. Bakker
Jochem R.A. Bakker 6 uur geleden
Layman here, but at the angle Lewis goes into the corner, he would definitely force max off the track. see how far out he gets at 7:12.
CARLOS PEREZ
CARLOS PEREZ 9 uur geleden
Everything said about Hamilton's determination can be said about Max. Hamilton had no intention to make the apex and the corner. Almost next to Max means Max is ahead and controls the corner. I don't think F1 has ever said "Driver on the inside controls the corner". Hamilton is going to fast, bad angle to apex and wishful thinking. 100% Hamilton's fault.
Waarnemer Almere
Waarnemer Almere 10 uur geleden
As a Max-fan I was biased and / or had seen too many analysis that went the other way. But Joylon Palmer's clear explanation made me change my mind: it was indeed a racing incident. And the RB-fury was -with hind-sight- over the top
Ellen1600
Ellen1600 5 uur geleden
Jij laat je te makkelijk overhalen😆
Axelrod R
Axelrod R 10 uur geleden
I feel Max trusted Hamilton,he didn't want him to get that corner,he turned flat right,i feel he should have stayed wide if Hamilton was not giving it up&let him make a wide turn& while he can cut inside afterwards. Hamilton surely should've stayed near apex,but he didn't, he didn't improvise when Max turned flat,he let the wheel stick. It is a racing accident,but i feel it's more of Hamilton's fault than Max's,as max was ahead& Hamilton had options,he didn't wanted to turn short, he turned wide after collision
Anthony Massie
Anthony Massie 11 uur geleden
Hope the stewards see this before Thursday.
Fire Up
Fire Up 13 uur geleden
Hamilton could not have been any tighter going into the corner and doesn't drift left. Max has plenty of room on the outside, but takes the corner at too much of an angle that he cuts across the front of Lewis' car and then forwards into Hamilton's front left tyre. I don't understand why it isn't Max being blamed. Max has the 30+ point lead, had the space, didn't need to take risks, but cuts across and gets too close to Lewis.
Ellen1600
Ellen1600 5 uur geleden
🤣🤣🤣
rionniel viray
rionniel viray 14 uur geleden
Can we show this to Horner?
Pearmain2009
Pearmain2009 17 uur geleden
Very well balanced analysis and totally agree it's a racing incident.
fffogg
fffogg 19 uur geleden
Toto's email sent to the stewards was a money transfer....we all know Mercedes owns F1....this crash never happened....
vCry2iS
vCry2iS 16 uur geleden
😂😂😂😂😂🤡
Peter Holce
Peter Holce 19 uur geleden
Can we move on now please?
Botak
Botak 21 uur geleden
Excellent analysis
Dsman
Dsman Dag geleden
First honest review. He turned in on Hamilton
Keir Mardy
Keir Mardy Dag geleden
Max got Verstappen'd.
Martin Fuller
Martin Fuller Dag geleden
My thoughts on it are Hamilton has backed out every time pretty much this season . He had to match Max's agressivenous. Both could easily have gone out. I thought Hamilton's penalty was harsh. Will be interesting to see how they both drive in the coming races
Brinta
Brinta 23 uur geleden
I think the penalty was well-deserved, but I agree that it was time for Hamilton to show that he will no longer back out.
Ape from the kitchen of Enki and Enlil.
Ape from the kitchen of Enki and Enlil. Dag geleden
The rule is simple and not up for debate. The road end's for the attacker. It is only about who is up front.
Bogdan Florin
Bogdan Florin Dag geleden
such a British review, with a British driver involved. no more comments needed, outcome predictable.
Kerem Okyay
Kerem Okyay Dag geleden
Of course, you will think it is a racing incident. Hamilton is a legendary driver, missing an apex given that he basically knows everything about the car and so on seems a bit off. He should have been more cautious because he was occupying inside and he was not. Bring honest people...
Mark Barker
Mark Barker Dag geleden
I think Max and Lewis are great, both knew going into the corner one of them needed to give up, they did not - reminiscent of Ayrton Senna. So far Max only criticised Lewis for celebrating whilst he was in hospital. Horner’s criticism is unfair, but with the budget cap, they are playing the system like all F1 Teams do, if Christian is right then post ‘no overtaking’ signs at these corners, if the situation was reversed, Max would have done the same! This the way F1 was years ago.
Huub van den Oever
Huub van den Oever Dag geleden
You can’t analyse this incident, you’re a Lewis fanboy
shnrrr
shnrrr Dag geleden
Why are we shown the dashboard of your computer? Even twitch streamers don't do this!
Lameck Kipsumam
Lameck Kipsumam Dag geleden
Cant wait to see this on Drive to survive season 4
Ed Young
Ed Young Dag geleden
Oh look another Britt defending Lewis imagine that
519achilles
519achilles Dag geleden
I don't get how it's slighty Hamilton's fault as Palmer says, since the rules say that if the front wheel of the car reach the rear wheel car ahead, then the corner belongs to the car from the back and leading car has to give him space. That's what Wolff sent to the stewards via email as he said in the radio.
519achilles
519achilles Dag geleden
Palmer: "This is paper-width stuff" Oh man I loved that line!!!
Imrahil
Imrahil 14 uur geleden
I think Palmer is using Stone plates XD
Waqas Durrani
Waqas Durrani Dag geleden
U could fit 2 cars on the right but he choose to crash into max wow Whatever u say u cant change what he did
motorcopT2
motorcopT2 Dag geleden
I remember when the shoe was on the other foot and he was the guy everyone was saying he was reckless and should be suspended. Now all of a sudden everyone has amnesia. 😂
Toro Loco
Toro Loco Dag geleden
who said that? link please
Gee _Eye
Gee _Eye Dag geleden
High speed racing incident
CW
CW 2 dagen geleden
Let Toto and Christian hug and let’s get on with this already
Lucas Gould
Lucas Gould 2 dagen geleden
Racing incident ham could’ve gone on grass Verstappen could’ve left ham more room Opening lap cold tires and heavy car which is full of fuel ham missed the apex by a fraction Racing incident They were also side by side going into copse
2008gd
2008gd 2 dagen geleden
Why does the sport need so many biased British commentators? Can they not understand the sport's international reach and keep it unhinged and unbiased?
Christian Larsen
Christian Larsen 2 dagen geleden
Even though Verstappen is my favorite driver, I am more in the camp of racing incident. It hurt seeing this, but Lewis and Max were racing hard. It is noticeable though how often these run ins happen with Lewis when fighting for the lead. 2x with Albon, ending his career and now with Max. And the fact that this is at least the 2nd time he has been lucky with red flags so that his mistakes get negated is getting a little old. Hopefully the rest of the season goes down to the final race with hard and clean racing between the two of them.
Antonio Avila
Antonio Avila 2 dagen geleden
You’re Wrong!!! It’s Hamilton fault. FIA is a mafia always is on Mercedes side.
Remco Rowaan
Remco Rowaan 2 dagen geleden
What we've learned from this? Always keep the inside line, so worst case you can hit the outside car, eliminate your competitor and get away with a worthless 10 second penalty. FIA has set a very bad precedent with the handling of this dangerous move from Hamilton.
Murphy moe
Murphy moe 2 dagen geleden
I can see max closing the corner when he knew very well that Louis is alongside besides Louis had no choice while max had it all in his hands when taking the corner ....
oscardriver
oscardriver 2 dagen geleden
it was an incident tat ended up with a strategic TAP. If you don't understand that you have a mental age of 11.
Riding dirty
Riding dirty 2 dagen geleden
I feel like the penalty was really rash and in justified. Max didn't give up the line and got into a wreck thinking Hamilton would let of the throttle or hit the brakes and he didn't. We all have are opinions but iv been racing for a while and I've seen this plenty of times and it was Max's over aggressive stance on the turn
KiKi Sama
KiKi Sama 2 dagen geleden
Mercedes: Verstappen is one DNF for us to get back to the fight 3 days after: Hamilton crashing into Max 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Moises Espino
Moises Espino 2 dagen geleden
U R bias....this is clearly verstapens fault...... he has bullied his way into corners, many many times.....drivers always back out....not this time...and u say is lewis fault.....how come !!!!
David Doody
David Doody 2 dagen geleden
Great honest, accurate review.
D R Minis
D R Minis 2 dagen geleden
Feel like ownership was on Hamilton to either stay on the apex or give the corner to Max.
D R Minis
D R Minis Dag geleden
@Deven Brown was easily avoidable if Hamilton wasn't going so fast into the turn. He couldn't turn because he did not brake soon enough.
Deven Brown
Deven Brown Dag geleden
He gave Max a bit of the corner. At 3:57 you see Hamilton slow down significantly, but Verstappen turned into him too sharply to avoid the collision.
Marco van raamsdonk
Marco van raamsdonk 2 dagen geleden
I totally disagree with your opinion It was a a dangerous move from Hamilton that’s it he should have get a drive true with 10 second penalty
Jamie Reeves
Jamie Reeves 2 dagen geleden
It was a racing incident in Bizarro World!
Vintage Playback Hifi Hunter
Vintage Playback Hifi Hunter 2 dagen geleden
Spot on! If you are a Hamilton Hater, German or Racist, you cannot possibly have a logical analysis.
John Bolwell
John Bolwell 2 dagen geleden
At last! a common sense analysis of the incident. Lewis had his entire car up the inside, not just a wheel as Christian Horner asserted. At that point Lewis' steering is visibly hard right, trying to get to the apex; Max turns in on him knowing he was there - Lewis's wing is visible as Max turns in and if anything it is Max's fault. Nobody has the right to the racing line if somebody else is already on it. The truth of the matter is that Lewis did Max, fair and square. Lewis should never have got a penalty and justice was done by him winning it. Christian Horner's credibility is shot to pieces.
davel101
davel101 2 dagen geleden
I look at this in the following way. As Max couldn't see Hamilton due to the design of modern F1 cars, Hamilton is in control of what happens. It comes down to this for me, as Max couldn't see Hamilton, how could Max avoid the accident? Hamilton oculd have / should have done what he did during the sprint race and back off. wI do think it was a racing incident, but a very dangerous and expensive one. I aslo think that Hamilton isn't used to not being the quickest and his usual calmness was missing at the start of the race.
TheBlue028
TheBlue028 2 dagen geleden
This is just insane imo, in the event of a collision the driver who was in the wrong or made the error that caused the collision should be held responsible regardless of how big or small the error. The ONLY time it shouldn't be penalised is when the driver is not responsible for the error like a mechanical failure. This whole era of 'racing incident' is just bizarre and 100% will end up being abused if it hasn't already.
Patrik Johansson
Patrik Johansson 2 dagen geleden
Totally agree with your version of the incident. Very detaild in-depth analysis.
Namaste1001
Namaste1001 2 dagen geleden
Perhaps all these people who are closely involved with F1 know its rigged and are trying to keep a lid on it, hence their "racing incident" conclusions. Have people forgotten how Nico parked his car at monaco so Lewis couldn't complete his lap, thus preventing him from getting pole?
Kevin de best
Kevin de best 2 dagen geleden
9:15 and hamilton also was driving slower there, plus Leclerc said after the race he was giving lewis more space because of the accident earlier and if he had not to understeer he still had it so... I think max had the corner, and lewis should have braked to not get understeer and have a tighter corner. but when cornering lewis wasn't alongside anymore also, 14:48 (you see lewis behind max through the corners because of less wing) lewis had a less wing less drag set up so he was slower through corners and more likely to understeer, and max had more wing so was faster in corners so that made max holing corners at high sped more easily than lewis that's why i think its lewis fault be cause he knew he would understeer in cops corner at that speed wich he did so
B TEEG
B TEEG 2 dagen geleden
Look at Max staring wheels motions He differently Turned into LEWIS, SPEAK THE TRUTH MY FRIEND
i i
i i 2 dagen geleden
so what yur sayin is get out of the way let hamilton by .
Dennis H
Dennis H 2 dagen geleden
8:46 so why the fxxk Ham & Lec didn't carsh? Mr Jolyon Palmer Beacuse Ham is on the fxxking curb.
Dennis H
Dennis H 2 dagen geleden
AMGFIA
Owen Bell
Owen Bell 2 dagen geleden
This is a very por look at the crash it was partially a racing incident but Lewis determined whether it was going to happen or not he was poking in the inside on a high-speed corner and another thing to look at is the line of the Ferrari behind he was 3 feet closer to the apex that was the inside line if Lewis ran that like max assumed he would it would have been a clean corner Lewis crashed him 100%
Rudy Kalkbasepijpje
Rudy Kalkbasepijpje 2 dagen geleden
Can't wait how many people got infected by eachother during this event. Keep in mind 2 weeks incubation time.
Axle Grind
Axle Grind 2 dagen geleden
the right rear tire on verstappen's car had the least amount of weight on it from the weight transfer and accelerating out of the corner, while hamilton's left front had most of the weight of the car on it. that is why hamilton made it through the corner knocking wheels and verstappen did not.
Sean Karl
Sean Karl 2 dagen geleden
That's a very keen observation. I think you are correct. It would be interesting to analyse other similar crashes to see how they turn out. I wonder what the effective weight difference would be in this situation. Maybe the teams are aware of this phenomena. If so Max Verstappen should have been extra careful not to make contact with someone coming up on the inside.
St Hope
St Hope 2 dagen geleden
Hamilton knew where he was in each inside pass and hence the way he addressed each of them.
St Hope
St Hope 2 dagen geleden
Appreciate you. The view of Verstappen's turning in twice shows he choose to squeeze Hamilton, deceiving himself that he could continue bullying. He tells himself everyone will be a gentleman to him; while he alone should be aggressive. Daniel: "Is that who I think it is ?" Engineer: Yes Danny we confirm that.
Remain Grateful to Allah
Remain Grateful to Allah 3 dagen geleden
Trolls are out huh? 😮‍💨
Alex Albus
Alex Albus 3 dagen geleden
How come every analysis comes to the conclusion that it was Hamilton's fault and then declares it as a racing incident?
Big Pundo
Big Pundo 3 dagen geleden
18:40
Olu
Olu 3 dagen geleden
The most succinct analysis so far. Racing incident period.
N3STRo
N3STRo 3 dagen geleden
More British bias, If the situation was reversed, Max would be suspended and ridiculed.. no doubt about it.
Black Legion
Black Legion 3 dagen geleden
Hamilton Main Goal is Knock Out Max..
Trance 9
Trance 9 3 dagen geleden
This and Chainbears video are spot on.
Jip
Jip 3 dagen geleden
All the brits are so biased, Hamilton was never alongside or in front of Max and knew he would crash. He does not make mistakes he knew what was going to happen. T
Willaim Steleson
Willaim Steleson 3 dagen geleden
L. @ 7:11 says different.
Richard Cevat
Richard Cevat 3 dagen geleden
This is ridiculous. An Englishman squirming in all kinds of directions, almost admitting that Lewis was wrong three times. But that would cost you audience in britan, wouldn't it?
Teresa Maria
Teresa Maria 3 dagen geleden
Verstapen fault
Jay1 Live
Jay1 Live 3 dagen geleden
Hamilton should be suspended point blank.. no drivers ever take the inside through copse corner.. if Max wasn’t there Hamilton goes straight into the wall. Hamilton knew exactly what he was doing.
Jay1 Live
Jay1 Live Dag geleden
@Angry Doggy what is the fastest you have gone in MPH ? Don’t lie either. Copse corner is a 190mph curve... that’s fast
Angry Doggy
Angry Doggy Dag geleden
@Jay1 Live And you know that because you’re an experienced F1 driver and you’ve analysed all the data? I guess that little knock took all the speed out of his car, that must be it. Weird how he was cornering just fine before the hit, perhaps not on the most efficient line but still cornering. But here’s a question for you. As an experienced racing driver, have you never taking a corner away from the racing line without crashing? I sure have and I’m just an amateur.
Jay1 Live
Jay1 Live Dag geleden
@Angry Doggy he definitely would not have stayed on the track without Verstappen being there in his way. I’m glad you finally understand the point I’m making
Angry Doggy
Angry Doggy Dag geleden
@Jay1 Live Well if you do know anything about racing it’s weird you would make the ridiculous claim that Hamilton would have gone straight. That’s just total nonsense. He wouldn’t have been able to pass Max and he would have lost a lot of ground, but going straight off? Definitely not.
Jay1 Live
Jay1 Live Dag geleden
@Angry Doggy I have driven circuit and still do .. if you don’t understand what I am saying then that’s your problem not mine
Asthra Nick
Asthra Nick 3 dagen geleden
If Max would have given that space to Lewis it would have been a big lose for him
Piotr Koniarski
Piotr Koniarski 3 dagen geleden
"(Hamilton) He's not here to avoid the collision" What?!
RUBEN
RUBEN 3 dagen geleden
7 time world champion doesn't make a mistake if not on purpose.
Abdallah El-Daour
Abdallah El-Daour 3 dagen geleden
12:45 I have to disagree with you on one matter. Grojean's incident with Sainz is definitely a racing incident BUT look at the difference is space allowed for Grojean vs. Lewis's.... that's the real difference lewis had the space he needed to avoid collision, no oversteer to correct.. Thoughts?
Kevin de best
Kevin de best 2 dagen geleden
you mean understeer :) but yes I agree lewis should have known better with his less wing setup, that with the speed he was going in he should have known that he would understeer towards max slightly
swordandkeyboard
swordandkeyboard 3 dagen geleden
The announcer is a shill for Hamilton. If was a racing incident then there would have been No penalty. That's why you're an announcer and not a track official. :)
Terry Allen
Terry Allen 3 dagen geleden
Brilliant analysis as usual.
Huse
Huse 3 dagen geleden
Spot on.
Hashan Wickramasinghe
Hashan Wickramasinghe 3 dagen geleden
What a joke: Hamilton was at fault but you know he was trying hard so it’s justifiable that he doesn’t try to avoid a crash. Max is 33 points ahead so he should be the one to give Hamilton a chance! Poor Lewis is behind the championship race. Because of that it’s Max’s fault, even though Lewis made the mistake and drove with an attitude of a mafia boss. Well done mate! You are a legend! Congratulations on getting that new shiny Merc for free! Oh that didn’t happen yet? Well, may be at the end of the season *fingers crossed*
Hashan Wickramasinghe
Hashan Wickramasinghe 3 dagen geleden
Palmer is spot on. Lewis’s intentions did not include, “let’s not have a high speed crash”. Bravo!
ytwos1
ytwos1 Dag geleden
Totally true, his intention was, let’s you have a high speed crash.
Hashan Wickramasinghe
Hashan Wickramasinghe 3 dagen geleden
A little known insight about the new Mercedes simulator upgrade: it’s GTA 6 beta!
APARTMENT .223
APARTMENT .223 3 dagen geleden
I think formula 1 is its own worse enemy. These nanny state rules will ruin it like it’s ruined lots of sports.
Tanbir Outdoorsman
Tanbir Outdoorsman 3 dagen geleden
I feel the penalty should have been harsher. With a 10 second penalty you are just allowing drivers to race less responsibility. The thing is if they did not crash we would have seen a more exciting race with them changing positions overtaking fighting the entire race. FIA should have stricter rules about not colliding into each other
Khalistani
Khalistani 3 dagen geleden
Max gets away with aggression repeatedly, about time someone put him in his place.
Khalistani
Khalistani 3 dagen geleden
@James Bedichek racing incident as testified by more half a dozen current and ex drivers.
James Bedichek
James Bedichek 3 dagen geleden
Calculated aggression, he doesn't wreck people like Hamilton does when he's losing
Oliver Apex
Oliver Apex 3 dagen geleden
Right on!
Never Again
Never Again 3 dagen geleden
Hamilton won't let someone better race too long. Verstappen is a championship leader so Ham had to take care of him. We all know Lewis is untouchable because FIA is on his side. They are afraid to punish him. He could leave F1 and numbers would drop. And he could accuse them of racism.
AcingGames
AcingGames 3 dagen geleden
“Afraid to punish him” bru he’s treated the same as other drivers. No, he didn’t do it on purpose either
FlyingDin
FlyingDin 3 dagen geleden
3:50 Max is trying to hang on? Hamilton missed the apex 😆. If this was the other way around everyone would cry that Verstappen was being overly aggressive.
Photography is Not a crime
Photography is Not a crime 3 dagen geleden
I'd be interested in the GPS data from Lulu's car on lap 1 compared to any of his previous laps during the weekend. He carried too much speed into copse and is understeering into Max and sliding through the turn. Lulu better keep his head up cause karma is a b*tch.
C Eelman
C Eelman 3 dagen geleden
Wrong intro, should've been : "How to eliminate a competitor
Orestis Papadopoulos
Orestis Papadopoulos 3 dagen geleden
Summarized: LH is the luckiest person in the world
Never Again
Never Again 3 dagen geleden
LH is luckiest driver because he has FIA on his side
ahhhwh
ahhhwh 3 dagen geleden
Hamilton is more than a meter away from Jolyons Definition of Hamiltons Apex isnt he? Like that it looks even premeditated to give max a knock at some point to cut down that lead. And with Max aggressive defending mercedes saw a chance to do that and get away with it. Well played.
Sami Jusufi
Sami Jusufi 3 dagen geleden
U should not repeat yourself for 20min to say: 1. Hamilton had space. 2. Contact was front with rear wheel. Those are clear facts. Thnx and buy
Avish lobo
Avish lobo 3 dagen geleden
Ham Is behind just bcoz of redbull has better engine...
Wild Mountain Gwendy
Wild Mountain Gwendy 3 dagen geleden
Wow…a Brit defending bad behavior. Shocker
Sebs3bs3b
Sebs3bs3b 3 dagen geleden
Losing respect for Hamilton here.
Sebs3bs3b
Sebs3bs3b 3 dagen geleden
Heck yea he missed his apex. At his position and speed he would end up way wide. So he decided to take max out with him. That's messed up. Maxx was focus on the turn Hamilton was behind him and tried to blindside him. He should had backed out.
cool thought
cool thought 4 dagen geleden
I think this is one of most unbiased look into the accident and he has a similar view with Charles Leclerc. Hamilton went a little wide and Verstappen went in a little hard. We all know both of them are fighting for position hard and we can see clearly Hamilton does not want to be involved in any accident.
Olu
Olu 3 dagen geleden
@Jip that is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If you've ever been at that speed in a car or bike you would understand that no racer in Lewis's position would drive to crash knowing the risks involved. I don't even think Maldonado was that crazy. The point here is that both drivers were not going to yield and since Max had gotten used to other drivers being cautious of him, he expected Lewis to back off which he rightfully didn't have to. Now Max will know to think twice.
Jip
Jip 3 dagen geleden
@Olu that is exactly the point I am trying to make he had his mind setup to crash into max, he knew that hos action there would cause a collision.
Olu
Olu 3 dagen geleden
@Jip Hamilton makes no mistakes ? Why would he risk it against a car one second slower than his ?
Jip
Jip 3 dagen geleden
If he was unbiased he would have known that Hamilton does not make mistakes, and that he knew exactly what was going to happen and clipped Max knowingly. He even explains later that Hamilton did not risk as much with Leclerc. He preferred causing a collision to losing. Hamilton makes no mistakes this was intentional.
Michael N.
Michael N. 4 dagen geleden
With Grosjean both cars were out that's why there wasn't a penalty... Lewis was off the apex by a decent fraction with Max and with leclerc it shows he could dri e on the curb that is what makes it look deliberate although I don't believe it was..